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NewsArchive
12-12-2001, 01:00 AM
The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find it
at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new on-line
InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
searchable.

Some of the new features for this online community include:

-Email notification when your post has been responded to

-Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
are made to it

-Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
user name, and dates in particular forums

-The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
regarding the usage of InstallShield products

-You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
your buddies are online

-Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
functionality

-And much more!



Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to assist
each other with technical questions.

Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical support
via http://support.installshield.com.

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)

If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
altogether to avoid this.

As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
fast browsing environment.

SamiV.
--
sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi

"Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
you
> leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
They
> moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
The
> same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
imho.
>
>
> "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
it
> at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
on-line
> InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> searchable.
>
> Some of the new features for this online community include:
>
> -Email notification when your post has been responded to
>
> -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> are made to it
>
> -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> user name, and dates in particular forums
>
> -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> regarding the usage of InstallShield products
>
> -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> your buddies are online
>
> -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> functionality
>
> -And much more!
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
assist
> each other with technical questions.
>
> Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
support
> via http://support.installshield.com.
>
>

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
i won't have a look on it each day !
I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
=> no more help from nobody, nowhere !

I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
bye,
r

Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
>
> Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
> that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
> information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
>
> If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> altogether to avoid this.
>
> As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
> browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
> article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
> nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> fast browsing environment.
>
> SamiV.
> --
> sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
>
> "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
> you
> > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
> They
> > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
> The
> > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> imho.
> >
> >
> > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
> it
> > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> on-line
> > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> > searchable.
> >
> > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> >
> > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> >
> > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> > are made to it
> >
> > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> > user name, and dates in particular forums
> >
> > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> >
> > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> > your buddies are online
> >
> > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> > functionality
> >
> > -And much more!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> assist
> > each other with technical questions.
> >
> > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> > do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> support
> > via http://support.installshield.com.
> >
> >

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)

If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
altogether to avoid this.

As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
fast browsing environment.

SamiV.
--
sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi

"Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
you
> leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
They
> moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
The
> same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
imho.
>
>
> "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
it
> at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
on-line
> InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> searchable.
>
> Some of the new features for this online community include:
>
> -Email notification when your post has been responded to
>
> -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> are made to it
>
> -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> user name, and dates in particular forums
>
> -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> regarding the usage of InstallShield products
>
> -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> your buddies are online
>
> -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> functionality
>
> -And much more!
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
assist
> each other with technical questions.
>
> Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
support
> via http://support.installshield.com.
>
>

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
i won't have a look on it each day !
I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
=> no more help from nobody, nowhere !

I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
bye,
r

Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
>
> Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
> that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
> information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
>
> If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> altogether to avoid this.
>
> As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
> browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
> article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
> nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> fast browsing environment.
>
> SamiV.
> --
> sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
>
> "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
> you
> > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
> They
> > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
> The
> > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> imho.
> >
> >
> > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
> it
> > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> on-line
> > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> > searchable.
> >
> > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> >
> > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> >
> > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> > are made to it
> >
> > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> > user name, and dates in particular forums
> >
> > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> >
> > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> > your buddies are online
> >
> > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> > functionality
> >
> > -And much more!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> assist
> > each other with technical questions.
> >
> > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> > do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> support
> > via http://support.installshield.com.
> >
> >

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)

If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
altogether to avoid this.

As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
fast browsing environment.

SamiV.
--
sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi

"Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
you
> leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
They
> moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
The
> same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
imho.
>
>
> "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
it
> at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
on-line
> InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> searchable.
>
> Some of the new features for this online community include:
>
> -Email notification when your post has been responded to
>
> -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> are made to it
>
> -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> user name, and dates in particular forums
>
> -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> regarding the usage of InstallShield products
>
> -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> your buddies are online
>
> -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> functionality
>
> -And much more!
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
assist
> each other with technical questions.
>
> Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
support
> via http://support.installshield.com.
>
>

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
i won't have a look on it each day !
I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
=> no more help from nobody, nowhere !

I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
bye,
r

Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
>
> Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
> that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
> information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
>
> If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> altogether to avoid this.
>
> As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
> browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
> article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
> nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> fast browsing environment.
>
> SamiV.
> --
> sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
>
> "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
> you
> > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
> They
> > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
> The
> > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> imho.
> >
> >
> > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
> it
> > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> on-line
> > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> > searchable.
> >
> > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> >
> > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> >
> > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> > are made to it
> >
> > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> > user name, and dates in particular forums
> >
> > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> >
> > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> > your buddies are online
> >
> > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> > functionality
> >
> > -And much more!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> assist
> > each other with technical questions.
> >
> > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> > do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> support
> > via http://support.installshield.com.
> >
> >

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)

If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
altogether to avoid this.

As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
fast browsing environment.

SamiV.
--
sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi

"Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
you
> leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
They
> moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
The
> same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
imho.
>
>
> "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
it
> at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
on-line
> InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> searchable.
>
> Some of the new features for this online community include:
>
> -Email notification when your post has been responded to
>
> -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> are made to it
>
> -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> user name, and dates in particular forums
>
> -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> regarding the usage of InstallShield products
>
> -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> your buddies are online
>
> -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> functionality
>
> -And much more!
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
assist
> each other with technical questions.
>
> Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
support
> via http://support.installshield.com.
>
>

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
i won't have a look on it each day !
I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
=> no more help from nobody, nowhere !

I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
bye,
r

Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
>
> Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
> that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
> information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
>
> If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> altogether to avoid this.
>
> As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
> browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
> article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
> nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> fast browsing environment.
>
> SamiV.
> --
> sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
>
> "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
> you
> > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
> They
> > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
> The
> > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> imho.
> >
> >
> > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
> it
> > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> on-line
> > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> > searchable.
> >
> > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> >
> > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> >
> > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> > are made to it
> >
> > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> > user name, and dates in particular forums
> >
> > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> >
> > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> > your buddies are online
> >
> > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> > functionality
> >
> > -And much more!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> assist
> > each other with technical questions.
> >
> > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> > do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> support
> > via http://support.installshield.com.
> >
> >

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)

If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
altogether to avoid this.

As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
fast browsing environment.

SamiV.
--
sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi

"Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
you
> leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
They
> moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
The
> same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
imho.
>
>
> "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
it
> at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
on-line
> InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> searchable.
>
> Some of the new features for this online community include:
>
> -Email notification when your post has been responded to
>
> -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> are made to it
>
> -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> user name, and dates in particular forums
>
> -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> regarding the usage of InstallShield products
>
> -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> your buddies are online
>
> -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> functionality
>
> -And much more!
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
assist
> each other with technical questions.
>
> Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
support
> via http://support.installshield.com.
>
>

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
i won't have a look on it each day !
I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
=> no more help from nobody, nowhere !

I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
bye,
r

Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
>
> Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
> that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
> information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
>
> If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> altogether to avoid this.
>
> As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
> browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
> article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
> nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> fast browsing environment.
>
> SamiV.
> --
> sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
>
> "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
> you
> > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
> They
> > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
> The
> > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> imho.
> >
> >
> > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
> it
> > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> on-line
> > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> > searchable.
> >
> > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> >
> > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> >
> > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> > are made to it
> >
> > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> > user name, and dates in particular forums
> >
> > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> >
> > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> > your buddies are online
> >
> > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> > functionality
> >
> > -And much more!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> assist
> > each other with technical questions.
> >
> > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> > do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> support
> > via http://support.installshield.com.
> >
> >

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)

If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
altogether to avoid this.

As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
fast browsing environment.

SamiV.
--
sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi

"Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
you
> leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
They
> moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
The
> same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
imho.
>
>
> "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
it
> at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
on-line
> InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> searchable.
>
> Some of the new features for this online community include:
>
> -Email notification when your post has been responded to
>
> -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> are made to it
>
> -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> user name, and dates in particular forums
>
> -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> regarding the usage of InstallShield products
>
> -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> your buddies are online
>
> -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> functionality
>
> -And much more!
>
>
>
> Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
assist
> each other with technical questions.
>
> Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
support
> via http://support.installshield.com.
>
>

NewsArchive
12-28-2001, 01:00 AM
I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
i won't have a look on it each day !
I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
=> no more help from nobody, nowhere !

I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
bye,
r

Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
>
> Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial post
> that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same post
> information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
>
> If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> altogether to avoid this.
>
> As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly just
> browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a different
> article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month. With
> nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> fast browsing environment.
>
> SamiV.
> --
> sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
>
> "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies are
> > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I say
> you
> > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using a
> > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well, in
> > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing will
> > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++ products.
> They
> > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for developers.
> The
> > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do these
> > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> imho.
> >
> >
> > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can find
> it
> > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located in
> > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> on-line
> > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be completely
> > searchable.
> >
> > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> >
> > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> >
> > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when posts
> > are made to it
> >
> > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by Keyword,
> > user name, and dates in particular forums
> >
> > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> >
> > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any of
> > your buddies are online
> >
> > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still send
> > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private messaging
> > functionality
> >
> > -And much more!
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a user-supported
> > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips, code,
> > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> assist
> > each other with technical questions.
> >
> > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community postings, we
> > do not recommend that you request technical support through this channel.
> > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> support
> > via http://support.installshield.com.
> >
> >

NewsArchive
01-06-2002, 01:00 AM
I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use it
effectively,
the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.

As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based board.

And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield has moved
to a weaker point.

Aklen.

"remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
>
> I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> i won't have a look on it each day !
> I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
>
> I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> bye,
> r
>
> Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> >
> > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial
post
> > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same
post
> > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> >
> > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> > altogether to avoid this.
> >
> > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly
just
> > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a
different
> > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month.
With
> > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> > fast browsing environment.
> >
> > SamiV.
> > --
> > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> >
> > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies
are
> > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I
say
> > you
> > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using
a
> > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well,
in
> > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing
will
> > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
products.
> > They
> > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
developers.
> > The
> > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do
these
> > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> > imho.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can
find
> > it
> > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located
in
> > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> > on-line
> > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be
completely
> > > searchable.
> > >
> > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > >
> > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > >
> > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when
posts
> > > are made to it
> > >
> > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by
Keyword,
> > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > >
> > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > >
> > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any
of
> > > your buddies are online
> > >
> > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still
send
> > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private
messaging
> > > functionality
> > >
> > > -And much more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
user-supported
> > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips,
code,
> > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> > assist
> > > each other with technical questions.
> > >
> > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
postings, we
> > > do not recommend that you request technical support through this
channel.
> > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> > support
> > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > >
> > >

NewsArchive
01-06-2002, 01:00 AM
I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use it
effectively,
the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.

As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based board.

And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield has moved
to a weaker point.

Aklen.

"remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
>
> I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> i won't have a look on it each day !
> I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
>
> I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> bye,
> r
>
> Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> >
> > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial
post
> > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same
post
> > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> >
> > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> > altogether to avoid this.
> >
> > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly
just
> > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a
different
> > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month.
With
> > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> > fast browsing environment.
> >
> > SamiV.
> > --
> > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> >
> > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies
are
> > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I
say
> > you
> > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using
a
> > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well,
in
> > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing
will
> > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
products.
> > They
> > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
developers.
> > The
> > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do
these
> > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> > imho.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can
find
> > it
> > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located
in
> > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> > on-line
> > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be
completely
> > > searchable.
> > >
> > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > >
> > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > >
> > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when
posts
> > > are made to it
> > >
> > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by
Keyword,
> > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > >
> > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > >
> > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any
of
> > > your buddies are online
> > >
> > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still
send
> > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private
messaging
> > > functionality
> > >
> > > -And much more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
user-supported
> > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips,
code,
> > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> > assist
> > > each other with technical questions.
> > >
> > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
postings, we
> > > do not recommend that you request technical support through this
channel.
> > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> > support
> > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > >
> > >

NewsArchive
01-06-2002, 01:00 AM
I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use it
effectively,
the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.

As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based board.

And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield has moved
to a weaker point.

Aklen.

"remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
>
> I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> i won't have a look on it each day !
> I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
>
> I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> bye,
> r
>
> Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> >
> > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial
post
> > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same
post
> > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> >
> > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> > altogether to avoid this.
> >
> > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly
just
> > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a
different
> > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month.
With
> > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> > fast browsing environment.
> >
> > SamiV.
> > --
> > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> >
> > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies
are
> > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I
say
> > you
> > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using
a
> > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well,
in
> > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing
will
> > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
products.
> > They
> > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
developers.
> > The
> > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do
these
> > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> > imho.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can
find
> > it
> > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located
in
> > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> > on-line
> > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be
completely
> > > searchable.
> > >
> > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > >
> > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > >
> > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when
posts
> > > are made to it
> > >
> > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by
Keyword,
> > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > >
> > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > >
> > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any
of
> > > your buddies are online
> > >
> > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still
send
> > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private
messaging
> > > functionality
> > >
> > > -And much more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
user-supported
> > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips,
code,
> > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> > assist
> > > each other with technical questions.
> > >
> > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
postings, we
> > > do not recommend that you request technical support through this
channel.
> > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> > support
> > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > >
> > >

NewsArchive
01-06-2002, 01:00 AM
I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use it
effectively,
the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.

As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based board.

And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield has moved
to a weaker point.

Aklen.

"remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
>
> I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> i won't have a look on it each day !
> I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
>
> I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> bye,
> r
>
> Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> >
> > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial
post
> > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same
post
> > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> >
> > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> > altogether to avoid this.
> >
> > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly
just
> > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a
different
> > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month.
With
> > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> > fast browsing environment.
> >
> > SamiV.
> > --
> > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> >
> > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies
are
> > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I
say
> > you
> > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using
a
> > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well,
in
> > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing
will
> > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
products.
> > They
> > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
developers.
> > The
> > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do
these
> > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> > imho.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can
find
> > it
> > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located
in
> > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> > on-line
> > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be
completely
> > > searchable.
> > >
> > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > >
> > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > >
> > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when
posts
> > > are made to it
> > >
> > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by
Keyword,
> > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > >
> > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > >
> > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any
of
> > > your buddies are online
> > >
> > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still
send
> > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private
messaging
> > > functionality
> > >
> > > -And much more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
user-supported
> > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips,
code,
> > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> > assist
> > > each other with technical questions.
> > >
> > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
postings, we
> > > do not recommend that you request technical support through this
channel.
> > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> > support
> > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > >
> > >

NewsArchive
01-06-2002, 01:00 AM
I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use it
effectively,
the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.

As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based board.

And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield has moved
to a weaker point.

Aklen.

"remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
>
> I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> i won't have a look on it each day !
> I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
>
> I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> bye,
> r
>
> Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> >
> > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial
post
> > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same
post
> > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> >
> > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> > altogether to avoid this.
> >
> > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly
just
> > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a
different
> > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month.
With
> > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> > fast browsing environment.
> >
> > SamiV.
> > --
> > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> >
> > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies
are
> > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I
say
> > you
> > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using
a
> > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well,
in
> > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing
will
> > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
products.
> > They
> > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
developers.
> > The
> > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do
these
> > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> > imho.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can
find
> > it
> > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located
in
> > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> > on-line
> > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be
completely
> > > searchable.
> > >
> > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > >
> > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > >
> > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when
posts
> > > are made to it
> > >
> > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by
Keyword,
> > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > >
> > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > >
> > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any
of
> > > your buddies are online
> > >
> > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still
send
> > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private
messaging
> > > functionality
> > >
> > > -And much more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
user-supported
> > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips,
code,
> > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> > assist
> > > each other with technical questions.
> > >
> > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
postings, we
> > > do not recommend that you request technical support through this
channel.
> > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> > support
> > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > >
> > >

NewsArchive
01-06-2002, 01:00 AM
I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use it
effectively,
the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.

As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based board.

And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield has moved
to a weaker point.

Aklen.

"remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
>
> I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> i won't have a look on it each day !
> I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
>
> I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> bye,
> r
>
> Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> >
> > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the initial
post
> > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the same
post
> > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> >
> > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move. Am I now
> > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with different
> > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp board
> > altogether to avoid this.
> >
> > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is the share
> > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very quickly
just
> > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web board
> > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to a
different
> > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a month.
With
> > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally in a very
> > fast browsing environment.
> >
> > SamiV.
> > --
> > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> >
> > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how companies
are
> > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as useful as
> > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and fast. I
say
> > you
> > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using google. Using
a
> > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts as well,
in
> > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well, nothing
will
> > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has also just
> > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
products.
> > They
> > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system, and in the
> > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
developers.
> > The
> > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages. Companies do
these
> > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for developers
> > imho.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here! You can
find
> > it
> > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information located
in
> > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to the new
> > on-line
> > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will be
completely
> > > searchable.
> > >
> > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > >
> > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > >
> > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email notification when
posts
> > > are made to it
> > >
> > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search by
Keyword,
> > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > >
> > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield experts
> > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > >
> > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see when any
of
> > > your buddies are online
> > >
> > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You can still
send
> > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using private
messaging
> > > functionality
> > >
> > > -And much more!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
user-supported
> > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange tips,
code,
> > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for free
> > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these forums to
> > assist
> > > each other with technical questions.
> > >
> > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
postings, we
> > > do not recommend that you request technical support through this
channel.
> > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield technical
> > support
> > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > >
> > >

NewsArchive
01-07-2002, 01:00 AM
Some people find the web interface easier to use. Some companies don't
allow NNTP access (hard to believe but true). So there are some points
for web, but also you have very valid points for NNTP.
I'm not speaking for InstallShield, but from my understanding the NNTP
and web groups will exist side by side (at least for some time). Web
postings won't show up in nntp, but nntp postings are being converted
and archived in the web interface (from time to time).

--
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with InstallShield Software Corporation.

"Aklen ALTINEL" <aklenaklen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c378d7c@news.installshield.com...
> I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use
it
> effectively,
> the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.
>
> As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based
board.
>
> And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield
has moved
> to a weaker point.
>
> Aklen.
>
> "remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
> news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
> >
> > I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> > i won't have a look on it each day !
> > I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> > but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> > => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
> >
> > I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> > bye,
> > r
> >
> > Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> > >
> > > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the
initial
> post
> > > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the
same
> post
> > > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> > >
> > > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move.
Am I now
> > > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with
different
> > > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp
board
> > > altogether to avoid this.
> > >
> > > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is
the share
> > > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very
quickly
> just
> > > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web
board
> > > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to
a
> different
> > > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a
month.
> With
> > > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally
in a very
> > > fast browsing environment.
> > >
> > > SamiV.
> > > --
> > > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> > >
> > > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how
companies
> are
> > > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as
useful as
> > > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and
fast. I
> say
> > > you
> > > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using
google. Using
> a
> > > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts
as well,
> in
> > > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well,
nothing
> will
> > > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has
also just
> > > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
> products.
> > > They
> > > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system,
and in the
> > > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
> developers.
> > > The
> > > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages.
Companies do
> these
> > > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for
developers
> > > imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here!
You can
> find
> > > it
> > > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information
located
> in
> > > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to
the new
> > > on-line
> > > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will
be
> completely
> > > > searchable.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > > >
> > > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > > >
> > > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email
notification when
> posts
> > > > are made to it
> > > >
> > > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search
by
> Keyword,
> > > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > > >
> > > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield
experts
> > > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > > >
> > > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see
when any
> of
> > > > your buddies are online
> > > >
> > > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You
can still
> send
> > > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using
private
> messaging
> > > > functionality
> > > >
> > > > -And much more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
> user-supported
> > > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange
tips,
> code,
> > > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for
free
> > > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these
forums to
> > > assist
> > > > each other with technical questions.
> > > >
> > > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
> postings, we
> > > > do not recommend that you request technical support through
this
> channel.
> > > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield
technical
> > > support
> > > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

NewsArchive
01-07-2002, 01:00 AM
Some people find the web interface easier to use. Some companies don't
allow NNTP access (hard to believe but true). So there are some points
for web, but also you have very valid points for NNTP.
I'm not speaking for InstallShield, but from my understanding the NNTP
and web groups will exist side by side (at least for some time). Web
postings won't show up in nntp, but nntp postings are being converted
and archived in the web interface (from time to time).

--
Stefan Krueger - Independent Setup Consultant

InstallSite - code samples, tips, tools, bug lists, and more
http://www.installsite.org http://www.installsite.de (GERMAN)
Support and consulting http://www.stefan-krueger.info

Stefan Krueger and the InstallSite web site are not affiliated
with InstallShield Software Corporation.

"Aklen ALTINEL" <aklenaklen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c378d7c@news.installshield.com...
> I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use
it
> effectively,
> the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.
>
> As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based
board.
>
> And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield
has moved
> to a weaker point.
>
> Aklen.
>
> "remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
> news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
> >
> > I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> > i won't have a look on it each day !
> > I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> > but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> > => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
> >
> > I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> > bye,
> > r
> >
> > Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> > >
> > > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the
initial
> post
> > > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the
same
> post
> > > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> > >
> > > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move.
Am I now
> > > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with
different
> > > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp
board
> > > altogether to avoid this.
> > >
> > > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is
the share
> > > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very
quickly
> just
> > > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web
board
> > > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to
a
> different
> > > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a
month.
> With
> > > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally
in a very
> > > fast browsing environment.
> > >
> > > SamiV.
> > > --
> > > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> > >
> > > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how
companies
> are
> > > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as
useful as
> > > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and
fast. I
> say
> > > you
> > > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using
google. Using
> a
> > > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts
as well,
> in
> > > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well,
nothing
> will
> > > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has
also just
> > > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
> products.
> > > They
> > > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system,
and in the
> > > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
> developers.
> > > The
> > > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages.
Companies do
> these
> > > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for
developers
> > > imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here!
You can
> find
> > > it
> > > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information
located
> in
> > > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to
the new
> > > on-line
> > > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will
be
> completely
> > > > searchable.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > > >
> > > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > > >
> > > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email
notification when
> posts
> > > > are made to it
> > > >
> > > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search
by
> Keyword,
> > > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > > >
> > > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield
experts
> > > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > > >
> > > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see
when any
> of
> > > > your buddies are online
> > > >
> > > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You
can still
> send
> > > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using
private
> messaging
> > > > functionality
> > > >
> > > > -And much more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
> user-supported
> > > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange
tips,
> code,
> > > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for
free
> > > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these
forums to
> > > assist
> > > > each other with technical questions.
> > > >
> > > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
> postings, we
> > > > do not recommend that you request technical support through
this
> channel.
> > > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield
technical
> > > support
> > > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

NewsArchive
01-07-2002, 01:00 AM
Some people find the web interface easier to use. Some companies don't
allow NNTP access (hard to believe but true). So there are some points
for web, but also you have very valid points for NNTP.
I'm not speaking for InstallShield, but from my understanding the NNTP
and web groups will exist side by side (at least for some time). Web
postings won't show up in nntp, but nntp postings are being converted
and archived in the web interface (from time to time).

--
Stefan Krueger - Independent Setup Consultant

InstallSite - code samples, tips, tools, bug lists, and more
http://www.installsite.org http://www.installsite.de (GERMAN)
Support and consulting http://www.stefan-krueger.info

Stefan Krueger and the InstallSite web site are not affiliated
with InstallShield Software Corporation.

"Aklen ALTINEL" <aklenaklen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c378d7c@news.installshield.com...
> I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use
it
> effectively,
> the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.
>
> As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based
board.
>
> And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield
has moved
> to a weaker point.
>
> Aklen.
>
> "remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
> news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
> >
> > I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> > i won't have a look on it each day !
> > I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> > but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> > => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
> >
> > I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> > bye,
> > r
> >
> > Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> > >
> > > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the
initial
> post
> > > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the
same
> post
> > > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> > >
> > > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move.
Am I now
> > > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with
different
> > > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp
board
> > > altogether to avoid this.
> > >
> > > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is
the share
> > > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very
quickly
> just
> > > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web
board
> > > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to
a
> different
> > > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a
month.
> With
> > > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally
in a very
> > > fast browsing environment.
> > >
> > > SamiV.
> > > --
> > > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> > >
> > > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how
companies
> are
> > > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as
useful as
> > > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and
fast. I
> say
> > > you
> > > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using
google. Using
> a
> > > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts
as well,
> in
> > > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well,
nothing
> will
> > > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has
also just
> > > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
> products.
> > > They
> > > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system,
and in the
> > > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
> developers.
> > > The
> > > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages.
Companies do
> these
> > > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for
developers
> > > imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here!
You can
> find
> > > it
> > > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information
located
> in
> > > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to
the new
> > > on-line
> > > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will
be
> completely
> > > > searchable.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > > >
> > > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > > >
> > > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email
notification when
> posts
> > > > are made to it
> > > >
> > > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search
by
> Keyword,
> > > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > > >
> > > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield
experts
> > > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > > >
> > > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see
when any
> of
> > > > your buddies are online
> > > >
> > > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You
can still
> send
> > > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using
private
> messaging
> > > > functionality
> > > >
> > > > -And much more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
> user-supported
> > > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange
tips,
> code,
> > > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for
free
> > > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these
forums to
> > > assist
> > > > each other with technical questions.
> > > >
> > > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
> postings, we
> > > > do not recommend that you request technical support through
this
> channel.
> > > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield
technical
> > > support
> > > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

NewsArchive
01-07-2002, 01:00 AM
Some people find the web interface easier to use. Some companies don't
allow NNTP access (hard to believe but true). So there are some points
for web, but also you have very valid points for NNTP.
I'm not speaking for InstallShield, but from my understanding the NNTP
and web groups will exist side by side (at least for some time). Web
postings won't show up in nntp, but nntp postings are being converted
and archived in the web interface (from time to time).

--
Stefan Krueger - Independent Setup Consultant

InstallSite - code samples, tips, tools, bug lists, and more
http://www.installsite.org http://www.installsite.de (GERMAN)
Support and consulting http://www.stefan-krueger.info

Stefan Krueger and the InstallSite web site are not affiliated
with InstallShield Software Corporation.

"Aklen ALTINEL" <aklenaklen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c378d7c@news.installshield.com...
> I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use
it
> effectively,
> the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.
>
> As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based
board.
>
> And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield
has moved
> to a weaker point.
>
> Aklen.
>
> "remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
> news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
> >
> > I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> > i won't have a look on it each day !
> > I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> > but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> > => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
> >
> > I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> > bye,
> > r
> >
> > Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> > >
> > > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the
initial
> post
> > > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the
same
> post
> > > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> > >
> > > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move.
Am I now
> > > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with
different
> > > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp
board
> > > altogether to avoid this.
> > >
> > > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is
the share
> > > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very
quickly
> just
> > > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web
board
> > > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to
a
> different
> > > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a
month.
> With
> > > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally
in a very
> > > fast browsing environment.
> > >
> > > SamiV.
> > > --
> > > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> > >
> > > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how
companies
> are
> > > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as
useful as
> > > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and
fast. I
> say
> > > you
> > > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using
google. Using
> a
> > > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts
as well,
> in
> > > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well,
nothing
> will
> > > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has
also just
> > > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
> products.
> > > They
> > > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system,
and in the
> > > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
> developers.
> > > The
> > > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages.
Companies do
> these
> > > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for
developers
> > > imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here!
You can
> find
> > > it
> > > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information
located
> in
> > > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to
the new
> > > on-line
> > > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will
be
> completely
> > > > searchable.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > > >
> > > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > > >
> > > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email
notification when
> posts
> > > > are made to it
> > > >
> > > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search
by
> Keyword,
> > > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > > >
> > > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield
experts
> > > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > > >
> > > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see
when any
> of
> > > > your buddies are online
> > > >
> > > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You
can still
> send
> > > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using
private
> messaging
> > > > functionality
> > > >
> > > > -And much more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
> user-supported
> > > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange
tips,
> code,
> > > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for
free
> > > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these
forums to
> > > assist
> > > > each other with technical questions.
> > > >
> > > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
> postings, we
> > > > do not recommend that you request technical support through
this
> channel.
> > > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield
technical
> > > support
> > > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

NewsArchive
01-07-2002, 01:00 AM
Some people find the web interface easier to use. Some companies don't
allow NNTP access (hard to believe but true). So there are some points
for web, but also you have very valid points for NNTP.
I'm not speaking for InstallShield, but from my understanding the NNTP
and web groups will exist side by side (at least for some time). Web
postings won't show up in nntp, but nntp postings are being converted
and archived in the web interface (from time to time).

--
Stefan Krueger - Independent Setup Consultant

InstallSite - code samples, tips, tools, bug lists, and more
http://www.installsite.org http://www.installsite.de (GERMAN)
Support and consulting http://www.stefan-krueger.info

Stefan Krueger and the InstallSite web site are not affiliated
with InstallShield Software Corporation.

"Aklen ALTINEL" <aklenaklen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c378d7c@news.installshield.com...
> I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use
it
> effectively,
> the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.
>
> As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based
board.
>
> And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield
has moved
> to a weaker point.
>
> Aklen.
>
> "remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
> news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
> >
> > I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> > i won't have a look on it each day !
> > I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> > but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> > => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
> >
> > I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> > bye,
> > r
> >
> > Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> > >
> > > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the
initial
> post
> > > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the
same
> post
> > > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> > >
> > > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move.
Am I now
> > > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with
different
> > > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp
board
> > > altogether to avoid this.
> > >
> > > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is
the share
> > > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very
quickly
> just
> > > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web
board
> > > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to
a
> different
> > > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a
month.
> With
> > > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally
in a very
> > > fast browsing environment.
> > >
> > > SamiV.
> > > --
> > > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> > >
> > > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how
companies
> are
> > > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as
useful as
> > > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and
fast. I
> say
> > > you
> > > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using
google. Using
> a
> > > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts
as well,
> in
> > > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well,
nothing
> will
> > > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has
also just
> > > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
> products.
> > > They
> > > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system,
and in the
> > > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
> developers.
> > > The
> > > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages.
Companies do
> these
> > > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for
developers
> > > imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here!
You can
> find
> > > it
> > > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information
located
> in
> > > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to
the new
> > > on-line
> > > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will
be
> completely
> > > > searchable.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > > >
> > > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > > >
> > > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email
notification when
> posts
> > > > are made to it
> > > >
> > > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search
by
> Keyword,
> > > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > > >
> > > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield
experts
> > > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > > >
> > > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see
when any
> of
> > > > your buddies are online
> > > >
> > > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You
can still
> send
> > > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using
private
> messaging
> > > > functionality
> > > >
> > > > -And much more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
> user-supported
> > > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange
tips,
> code,
> > > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for
free
> > > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these
forums to
> > > assist
> > > > each other with technical questions.
> > > >
> > > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
> postings, we
> > > > do not recommend that you request technical support through
this
> channel.
> > > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield
technical
> > > support
> > > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

NewsArchive
01-07-2002, 01:00 AM
Some people find the web interface easier to use. Some companies don't
allow NNTP access (hard to believe but true). So there are some points
for web, but also you have very valid points for NNTP.
I'm not speaking for InstallShield, but from my understanding the NNTP
and web groups will exist side by side (at least for some time). Web
postings won't show up in nntp, but nntp postings are being converted
and archived in the web interface (from time to time).

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"Aklen ALTINEL" <aklenaklen@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:3c378d7c@news.installshield.com...
> I think the NNTP servers should be preffered if it's the case to use
it
> effectively,
> the web IS hard to browse, and hard to use.
>
> As a customer, I want to use the nntp news server, not the web based
board.
>
> And I think the new Knowledge Management Strategy of InstallShield
has moved
> to a weaker point.
>
> Aklen.
>
> "remi" <remi.lichiere@isotools.com> wrote in message
> news:3C2C41F9.F4AFBD23@isotools.com...
> >
> > I agree with you, guys : if InstallShield stops the nntp service,
> > i won't have a look on it each day !
> > I'll only go on the web board if i have a big problem,
> > but never by curiousness : surfing is a waste of time !
> > => no more help from nobody, nowhere !
> >
> > I hope IS will let the nntp alive !
> > bye,
> > r
> >
> > Sami Vanhatalo a écrit :
> > >
> > > Am I totally misinformed here, I got the impression from the
initial
> post
> > > that the usenet nntp news and the web board would be sharing the
same
> post
> > > information? No wonder the amount of news seems small lately. :)
> > >
> > > If that is _not_ the case then this is really a very bad move.
Am I now
> > > expected to read two different boards (nntp and the web) with
different
> > > information on them? It would be better then to remove the nntp
board
> > > altogether to avoid this.
> > >
> > > As Paul mentioned the best reason to use a nntp newsreader is
the share
> > > speed of it. Even with the trusty Outlook Express I can very
quickly
> just
> > > browse thru hundreds of articles in a couple of minutes. The web
board
> > > stalls me for about 5-15 seconds every time I want to change to
a
> different
> > > article. Very very slow if you read the news only a few times a
month.
> With
> > > nntp you just download all articles once all is stored locally
in a very
> > > fast browsing environment.
> > >
> > > SamiV.
> > > --
> > > sami.vanhatalo@remedy.fi
> > >
> > > "Paul" <none@none.---> wrote in message
> > > news:3c2ae783@news.installshield.com...
> > > > I feel this is an unfortunate development but this is how
companies
> are
> > > > moving things these days. Online forums are generally not as
useful as
> > > > usenet. The user interface of a newsreader is efficient and
fast. I
> say
> > > you
> > > > leverage it and everybody wins. And you can search using
google. Using
> a
> > > > company forum application also removes the anonymity of posts
as well,
> in
> > > > case you should have an unkind word for a product. Oh well,
nothing
> will
> > > > reverse the onslaught of mediocrity in my opinion. This has
also just
> > > > happened with the Rogue Wave newsgroups for the Stingray VC++
> products.
> > > They
> > > > moved to a completely cramped, empty and slow forum system,
and in the
> > > > process blew away thousands of archived usenet messages for
> developers.
> > > The
> > > > same may happen with the installshield usenet messages.
Companies do
> these
> > > > things for obvious reasons, but they are not run by and for
developers
> > > imho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Joel Tobecksen-InstallShield" <VB@installshield.com> wrote in
message
> > > > news:3c17d5c7$2@news.installshield.com...
> > > > The new Web-based InstallShield community forum is now here!
You can
> find
> > > it
> > > > at http://community.installshield.com. All of the information
located
> in
> > > > these newsgroups has been archived and will be moved over to
the new
> > > on-line
> > > > InstallShield community by Monday, December 10th. These will
be
> completely
> > > > searchable.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the new features for this online community include:
> > > >
> > > > -Email notification when your post has been responded to
> > > >
> > > > -Ability to subscribe to threads and receive email
notification when
> posts
> > > > are made to it
> > > >
> > > > -Superior Boolean searching capability- where you can search
by
> Keyword,
> > > > user name, and dates in particular forums
> > > >
> > > > -The ability to communicate with your peers and InstallShield
experts
> > > > regarding the usage of InstallShield products
> > > >
> > > > -You can create your own buddy lists and you are able to see
when any
> of
> > > > your buddies are online
> > > >
> > > > -Your have the option of displaying your email address. You
can still
> send
> > > > emails to anyone who posts through the application using
private
> messaging
> > > > functionality
> > > >
> > > > -And much more!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please keep in mind that the InstallShield Community is a
> user-supported
> > > > channel that allows InstallShield's user community to exchange
tips,
> code,
> > > > solutions, and techniques. This online community allows for
free
> > > > contribution of content, and we encourage members of these
forums to
> > > assist
> > > > each other with technical questions.
> > > >
> > > > Since InstallShield does not guarantee responses to community
> postings, we
> > > > do not recommend that you request technical support through
this
> channel.
> > > > For technical support issues, please contact InstallShield
technical
> > > support
> > > > via http://support.installshield.com.
> > > >
> > > >
>
>